Okay neither team is playing well. but...

Hull fans seemed to be giving Richard Agarout a clean slate with 'his' team, before the season started. They are 7 and 5, despite their marquee half-back signing missing several rounds.

Rovers are 6 and 6. Form all over the place, but Morgan's record at Rovers is exemplary.

To me these are strange types of failure. The fans are passionate, which is great, but is it possible to combine that with 'sensible'? Sacking either now would look mad to outsiders - and with good reason IMO.

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Agree in a certain extent, maybe both clubs have over achieved and now fans expect the bar to be so high

I think the main prblem is that both sets of fans can see the flaws in both coaches and repetitve errors that are made.


Neither will be sacked this year though

I don't really pay all that much attention to Hull so can't particularly comment on their situation other than to say that you can't change the amount of key personel that they have, then bring in such vastly experienced players and expect them all to gel instantly.

As for Morgan, getting rid would be one of the most idiotic things possible for the club to do. Look at our squad in comparison to the rest of Super League, and I mean [iall[/i the squad, we don't have the depth or the overall quality to be any higher than we currently are. That's not a criticism of the players at the club, all they can do is give it their all which in the most they do, it's just a statement of fact.

Morgan has been accused of playing boring rugby, but we're not Wigan circa 1993 we have a game plan that exploits the maximum potential from the limits of the individual players. Leeds, St. Helens and Warrington all have far superior squads to us, but on the day we had the better team. That's what you get with having a good coach, he's not great but he has the potential to take us further. The way the youth system now seems to be starting to perform may well be his greatest legacy.

Both clubs are at max salary cap and should be competing as well as anyone else. bradford are spending significantly less

On better quality players.

Excellent post. It's embarrassing at times listening to phones ins and post on here. Rovers have the right many for the job but I sense that this season has always been seen as a biot of right off as far as the club were concerned. They seem to be giving more gametime to younger players and consolidating rather than trying to push on from last season. I think the club expected to struggle a bit this season although I doubt they would admit it in public. Still I was surprised at the Rovers fans reaction yesterday, virtually every caller or texter wanted shut of Morgan, which is a laughable really. Rovers has some big earners OOC next season and I would expect a couple of big name signings, especially one who can play 6.

As for Hull, we are doing okay considering where we finished last season and it's unfortunate that we have so many injuries at present as I feel the next 6/7 matches are all winnable with a strong team out. Agar is not the right man for the job at Hull imo but he is our coach and we should be supporting him rather than costantly attacking him.

It's worth bearing in mind that this forum, and Blunderside's post match reaction texts/emails etc., are not entirely representative of general opinion. Hull were shambolic last year yet increased their pass sales with no fans unrest evident at any game I went to. Rovers are not doing as well this year as last, however a season of consolidation on and off the field would appear to be the order of the day for them. Sure people are not over the moon with the situation at their respective clubs, however forums and phone ins will always attract the more extreme views whilst the more balanced fans tend not to be shouting their balanced views to anyone who will listen.

The point being that not all fans look at success or failure as dare I say it black or white, but those who do tend to communicate their opinion with more vigour.

I never thought id agree with hutchie but hes right.....

Performance wise 7 and 5 flatters us. He rode his luck last year and again this season Agar has managed to turn good players into sacks of sh*t.

on the subject of phone ins i do not listen to them any more after i heard a hull fan years ago saying he was a rovers fan and he was sick of roger millward and we should sack him and the said guy wears a black and white shirt how many more do that both hull and rovers fans

I think the point is massively missed here...

Rovers and Hull are both among the 7 or 8 clubs that spend the full salary cap, both have boards that have backed their coaches to the hilt, both with a reasonably settled core of a squad.

Yet they are (without doubt in Rovers case) the two poorest teams of the full cap spenders...

Why is that??? With regards to Rovers, Morgan has made some bad decisions in relation to cap spend for me and some of his recruitment is atrocious (see Mills 2 year contract, Fisher new 3 year when he doesnt really want him, Ratu (played once so far), Cook, Clinton for mega money, Welham three year deal when not good enough, Vella extension beyond his usefulness, Newton 4 yr deal onto easy street, paying Fozzard whilst he aint even at the club as with Cooke etc etc) . You are talking hundreds of thousands of pounds that could be better used elsewhere. The money men will not throw their money away forever with no return (Hull are obviously in a much better position to withstand the no return scenario for a prolonged period).

If we were not throwing money around left, right and centre and only wanted to compete with the Quins, Salfords and Castlefords of this world then people woudnt have any expectations and would be thrilled by the odd win against top 4 opposition but Rovers and Morgan profess to want to be one of the big boys and spend accordingly. If you are going to do this and come out with drivel about winning grand finals and doubles than i can have no sympathy when people want to criticise when you come up with performances like the last two games.

Given the fan base,and passion of both sets of supporters its a shame we are chugging along as we are.I know that passionate support shouldn`t equal automatic success,otherwise Newcastle would win the Prem every season.
Its just frustrating at times.
I know other clubs fans would argue they are just as passionate,but I bet there is not a better R.L. stronghold as there is in Hull.